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naxeem 
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ned 15.5.2011 22:45
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Psiho246 kaže...

Da ti ja dokazujem diplome strucnjaka? Zasto?

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Slijep si na ocite dokaze, a te kvazi dokaze, kako ih ti prozivas, su slike i snimke koje za razliku od tvojeg sljepog vjerovanja i ekstremnog skepticizma koji granici sa shizofrenijom ima barem nekakvu tezinu.

 

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Nisi skužio baš, ali nisam ni očekivao. Dakle, sve su davno logično objasnili znanstvenici s imenima i prezimenima i titulama te iskustvom. Teorije koje ti iznosiš zasnivaju se na imaginarnim osobama i glasovima koje samo ti čuješ. - Ali možeš vidjeti i nešto dobro u tome, recimo, nikad nisi sam!

 

Dakle, "dokazi" koje ti iznosiš su gdje? Ja ne mogu pronaći te dokaze. Eh, da, da ne trošiš vrijeme: autori Zayatagasta nisu izvor, dokaz ili stručnjaci.

 

Ali mene ionako plaćaju masoni za ovo pa nema smisla da raspravljamo.

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naxeem kaže...

Nisi skužio baš, ali nisam ni očekivao. Dakle, sve su davno logično objasnili znanstvenici s imenima i prezimenima i titulama te iskustvom. Teorije koje ti iznosiš zasnivaju se na imaginarnim osobama i glasovima koje samo ti čuješ. - Ali možeš vidjeti i nešto dobro u tome, recimo, nikad nisi sam!

 

Dakle, "dokazi" koje ti iznosiš su gdje? Ja ne mogu pronaći te dokaze. Eh, da, da ne trošiš vrijeme: autori Zayatagasta nisu izvor, dokaz ili stručnjaci.

 

Ali mene ionako plaćaju masoni za ovo pa nema smisla da raspravljamo.

Opet ti sa svojim lupetanjem.

Ako ja nemam uvid u neko cinjenicno stanje, na tebi je da mi dokazes da sam u krivu i kada ti predocis meni dokaze, ja cu sigurno pormijeniti misljenje.

 

Ti meni kazes da nemam dokaza, te da Zeitgeist nema nikakvu tezinu, dok bi ja tebi trebao vjerovati na rijec kada kazes da su znanstvenici sa imenima i prezimenima logicno objasnili.

Poprilicno sam siguran da u Zeitgeistu svaki strucnjak i znanstvenik ima ime i prezime te titulu.

Sasvim je moguce da su kupili diplomu tamo gdje i Sanader, ali nitko mi nije to dokazao i necu vjerovati Naxeemu na rijec.

 

Zar ne vidis ironiju? Meni govoris kako moji dokazi/argumenti nisu relevantni, dok bi ja TVOJIMA trebao vjerovati na rijec, a ti si samo nickname na forumu, bas kao i ja.

- Psiho246
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Tallahasee 
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ned 15.5.2011 23:24
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rambox kaže...

 šacicom brđana i pješcanih ratnika moš mislit to samo naivcine gutaju.

A Ruse su iz Afganistana otjerali svemirci! {#}

Bolje 100 godina zivjeti kao lopov, nego 7 dana kao siromah - KraDeZe \m/
 
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naxeem 
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ned 15.5.2011 23:31
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Baš si uporan, a ja nemam namjeru prepirat se s tobom. Evo ti dokazi pa čitaj.

 

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  149. ^Bin Laden's 2004 taped broadcast on the attacks, in which he explains the motives for the attacks and says "The events that affected my soul in a direct way started in 1982 when America permitted the Israelis to invade Lebanon and the American Sixth Fleet helped them in that. This bombardment began and many were killed and injured and others were terrorised and displaced. " (Quoted from Al Jazeeraonline here)[dead link]
  150. ^Bin Laden's taped broadcast from January 2010, where he said "Our attacks against you [the United States] will continue as long as U.S. support for Israel continues.... The message sent to you with the attempt by the hero NigerianUmar Farouk Abdulmutallabis a confirmation of our previous message conveyed by the heroes of Sept. 11". (Quoted from "Bin Laden: Attacks on U.S. to go on as long as it supports Israel", in Haaretz.com,online here).[dead link]
  151. ^See also the 1998Al-Qaeda fatwā: "[T]he aim [of the United States] is also to serve the Jews' petty state and divert attention from its occupation of Jerusalem and murder of Muslims there. The best proof of this is their eagerness to destroy Iraq, the strongest neighboring Arab state, and their endeavor to fragment all the states of the region such as Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Sudan into paper statelets and through their disunion and weakness to guarantee Israel's survival and the continuation of the brutal crusade occupation of the Peninsula." quoted fromText of the 1998 fatwātranslation byPBS
  152. ^
  153. ^InBernard Lewis's 2004 bookThe Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror, he argues animosity toward the west is best understood with the decline of the once powerfulOttoman empire, compounded by the import of western ideas—Arab socialism,Arab liberalismandArab secularism. During the past three centuries, the Islamic world has lost its dominance and its leadership, and has fallen behind both the modern West and the rapidly modernizing Orient. This widening gap poses increasingly acute problems, both practical and emotional, for which the rulers, thinkers, and rebels of Islam have not yet found effective answers. FromThe Crisis of Islam: Holy War and Unholy Terror. Bernard Lewis. 2004
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    • Michael Scott DoranandPeter Bergenhave argued that 9/11 was a strategic way to provoke America into a war that incites apan-Islamisicrevolution.Michael Scott Doranargues the attacks are best understood as being part of a religious conflict within the Muslim world. In an essay,Somebody Else's Civil WarDoran argued that Bin Laden's followers: "consider themselves an island of true believers surrounded by a sea of iniquity"."somebody-elses-civil-war". Foreign Affairs. Retrieved December 5, 2009.
    • Hoping that U.S. retaliation would unite the faithful against the West, bin Laden sought to spark revolutions inArab nationsand elsewhere. Doran argues theOsama bin Laden videoswere attempting to provoke a visceral reaction in the Middle East and ensure that Muslim citizens would react as violently as possible to an increase in U.S. involvement in their region.Doran, Michael Scott (2005).Understanding the War on Terror. New York: Norton. pp. 72–75. ISBN 978-0-87609-347-4.
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Poruka je uređivana zadnji put ned 15.5.2011 23:34 (naxeem).
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you got some serious problems XDDD

totaly crazy

potpis :D
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naxeem kaže...

Baš si uporan, a ja nemam namjeru prepirat se s tobom. Evo ti dokazi pa čitaj.

(uh, skoro mi se omaklo i skoro citiral sve)

Some people say that if you play a Windows install CD backwards you will hear demon voices commanding you to worship Satan. But that's nothing. If you play it forward it will install Windows.
 
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naxeem kaže...

Baš si uporan, a ja nemam namjeru prepirat se s tobom. Evo ti dokazi pa čitaj.

 

 

Nadam se da se salis.

Prosao sam kroz barem 20-ak tekstova i 5-6 videa.

 

Zakljucak je slijedeci:

 

Ti uopce nisi ozbiljan i zahebavas se samnom.

 

Ovi tvoji pristase sta ti po automatizmu dijele TU, jeste li vi kliknuli na koji link ili ste mu dali TU samo zato jer se "potrudio" linkati hrpu beskorisnog smeca?

 

Naime, vecinu ovog smeca cine vijesti razlicitih news portala koji nemaju apsolutno nikakvu vaznost, te uopce ne nude nikakve dokaze vec samo informiraju o broju umrlih, o broju rasistickih napada poslje 11.9. , o putanji zrakopolova itd.

Pogledao sam i video udarca u Pentagon, sto osobno jako malo sam sumnjao u tu pricu, no sada pogledajuci i navodne snimke koje je oslobodila vlada SAD-a, mozda i vjerujem i u tu zavjeru. :D

Hocete reci da je najbolja snimka udarca aviona u Pentagon, snimka koja se vrti jednu slicicu u sekundi te gdje se vidi nekakva mrlja od koje se ne vidi je li to muha ili avion na desnoj strani prije eksplozije, te sama eksplozija.

Gdje je sav taj americki high tech, pa ja na vikendici imam bolji videonadzor, a kostao je par tisuca kuna. :D

 

Moze biti da sam preskocio nekakve krucialne dokaze, ali medu 300 linkova koje je Naxeem postao, one koje sam nasumicno odabrao, ili po zvucnosti naslova, nisu donijeli konkretne dokaze, tj. nisu nikako pridonijeli diskusiji.

Ako ces biti ljubazan, oznaci one koji su relevantni.

 

Nadam se da BBC news ne smatras strucnjacima sa diplomama. :D

 

Iskreno, nadao sam se da cu dobiti nekakvo kvalitetno stivo kojim cu promijeniti svoj stav, ali mozda jos i hocu, ako postoji ista relevantnog u tih 300 linkova...

 

A da se bacimo na blizu proslost.

Zar nije nimalo sumnjivo sto je Bin Laden ubijen, te zatim odmah bacen u more?

To je obicaj vlade SAD-a da najtrazenije teroriste bace u more, ostavljajuci sve ove teoreticare zavjera koji muce tu istu vladu godinama sa novim materijalom za zavjere? :D

Koliko ja znam, njihov je obicaj uhitit ih zive pa ih smaknuti, snimiti cijeli proces, te onda objaviti isti na internetu kako bi se nacionalisti SAD-a mogli samozadovoljavati.

 

Ta americka vojska i vlada je ili krajnje nesposobna, ili najsposobnija drzavna struktura ikada.

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FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"

 

Evo jedan link od mene.

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Tallahasee kaže...
rambox kaže...

 šacicom brđana i pješcanih ratnika moš mislit to samo naivcine gutaju.

A Ruse su iz Afganistana otjerali svemirci! {#}

Ti si mene doslovno shvatil izgleda kak sam napisal,{#} pa ja sam mislil na Alkaidu u današnje vrjeme na kog drugog ili kak se vec zove nije nit bitno koja glasi za glavne svjetske drmatore u Terorizmu. Drmaju na sve strane a bivši Sadam Husein im je bil glavni finansijer navodno,{#} pa onda njegovo oružje za masovno uništenje i ostalo kojeg niko nije našel nit vidil a zato su kak ti krenuli u pohod u rušenje Iraka cak je to i jadni smotani Tony Blair na kraju priznal da ga nije bilo.{#}

 

Ruse zapravo nisu oni striktno gledano stjerali, tj Talibani prije puno godina vec Stingeri na njihovim ramenima.{#} S njima su Ruse satrali pošteno, u zraku pa su Helikopteri i Avioni padali ko kruške u vecini slucajeva kad su došli Planinskim ratnicima na nišan to je odnjelo prevagu a ko im je dao te stvarcice zna se.{#}

 

Ubojstvom Bin Ladena ništa nije postignuto, a treba i spomenut ak je neko to zaboravil da su za osvetu pobili 80 ljudi u jednoj sekundi slikovito receno prije par dana.{#} Dakle nepotrebno ubojstvo jednog covjeka, je povuko za sobom 80 zrtava totalno nepotrebnih a nisam videl da se iko oko tog opterecuje. Boli Amere đon za to oni slave ubojstvo jednog covjeka, a 80 ljudi ko šljivi kolateralne žrtve pa da a to je posljedica njihovog vrlo uspješnog uklanjanja precjenjenog i napuhanog te izlapjelog vođe Bin Ladena.{#}{#}

 

http://www.vecernji.hr/vijesti/u-odmazdi-bin-ladenovu-smrt-poginulo-80-ak-mladih-vojnika-clanak-287104

 

 

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meni je zesce da je avion stigao Pentagon... najsticenije podrucje nakon vatikana :D

U to vrijeme je vojnim zrakoplovima bilo zabranjeno letuckati iznad američkih gradova. I dok se saznalo da je civilni avion otet, on je prešao već 300-400 km i vrlo lako došao blizu Pentagona.

Amerima se jest osvetila njihova bahatost, no i sad treba odlučiti u trenu srušiti li civilni avion pun putnika, ili ne !?

 

Nije to baš tako kao vi zamišljate.

Ne, potpuno si u krivu kod shvacanja navodenja aviona prema pisti... on prije nego misli promjenit putanju mora javiti kontroli leta, sta ona nikada ne prihvaca bez nekog razloga, a uz uvjete koji su bili taj dan, ne postoji nijedna moguca promjena rute za ista...

 

acid G kaže...

Pa i nije baš tako kako kažeš,nemožeš samo tako pomaknuti avion 300 km a da se nitko nejavi kontroli leta,a druga stvar je što kvazi stručnjaci serviraju informacije za javnost koji često nemaju veze sa stvarnim stanjem.

 

ma sad ste nadrobili gomilu gluposti

1. Radar kontrole leta ne prati avion, već transponder aviona (inače se na radaru vide i oblaci i ptice i paraglajderi i bok te pitaj kaj sve ne), znači ako hakiraš tarnspoder i ugasiš ga, nestaješ sa radara

 

2. u 80-im je godinama usred hladnog rata jedan njemac ako se ne varam poletio iz finske u maloj cesni i sletio na crveni trg usred Moskve a da ga nitko nije skužio i zaustavio

 

U svakom sustavu postoje rupe i postoji nešto što se zove bahatos i uljenjivanje, ameri su potcjenili situaciju i to im se osvetilo

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ma sad ste nadrobili gomilu gluposti

1. Radar kontrole leta ne prati avion, već transponder aviona (inače se na radaru vide i oblaci i ptice i paraglajderi i bok te pitaj kaj sve ne), znači ako hakiraš tarnspoder i ugasiš ga, nestaješ sa radara

 

2. u 80-im je godinama usred hladnog rata jedan njemac ako se ne varam poletio iz finske u maloj cesni i sletio na crveni trg usred Moskve a da ga nitko nije skužio i zaustavio

Kakav transponder, blebećeš nebuloze. Kako da ne, radari su poznati uređaju koji prate transpondere, a ne objekte od kojih se odbija elektromagnetski valovi što ih radar generira. Otkud ti ova glupost s hakiranjem transpondera? Što to nisi prodao amerima, a oni se jadni mučili kako da naprave oblik aviona koji će imati površine na način de se što manje valova reflektira u smjeru iz kjeg su došli. E da su znali da je potrebno samo ugasiti transponder..

 

Daj ti malo prouči princip rada radara, ima toga dosta na netu. Da ne objašnjavam ptice, visine, itd. Pa će ti biti jasno da si ljuljnuo jedan od većih bisera..

 

 
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WTC 7 ne diram. Pennsylvanijski avion ne diram. Gdje su ostaci aviona koji je udario u WTC 1 i 2 nisam istraživao.

 

 

Normalo da ne diras WTC 7, lakse je prezmirit tu "malu cinjenicu" i trubit dalje po svojem.

Tvoj win ovo nemoze http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V6365NQrV0 // Win 7 na osx-u http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co5BnTQDh2A
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ma sad ste nadrobili gomilu gluposti

1. Radar kontrole leta ne prati avion, već transponder aviona (inače se na radaru vide i oblaci i ptice i paraglajderi i bok te pitaj kaj sve ne), znači ako hakiraš tarnspoder i ugasiš ga, nestaješ sa radara

 

2. u 80-im je godinama usred hladnog rata jedan njemac ako se ne varam poletio iz finske u maloj cesni i sletio na crveni trg usred Moskve a da ga nitko nije skužio i zaustavio

Kakav transponder, blebećeš nebuloze. Kako da ne, radari su poznati uređaju koji prate transpondere, a ne objekte od kojih se odbija elektromagnetski valovi što ih radar generira. Otkud ti ova glupost s hakiranjem transpondera? Što to nisi prodao amerima, a oni se jadni mučili kako da naprave oblik aviona koji će imati površine na način de se što manje valova reflektira u smjeru iz kjeg su došli. E da su znali da je potrebno samo ugasiti transponder..

 

Daj ti malo prouči princip rada radara, ima toga dosta na netu. Da ne objašnjavam ptice, visine, itd. Pa će ti biti jasno da si ljuljnuo jedan od većih bisera..

 

Ti baš nisi shvatio kako funkcionira letenje i radarska identifikacija?

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Kakav transponder, blebećeš nebuloze. Kako da ne, radari su poznati uređaju koji prate transpondere, a ne objekte od kojih se odbija elektromagnetski valovi što ih radar generira. Otkud ti ova glupost s hakiranjem transpondera? Što to nisi prodao amerima, a oni se jadni mučili kako da naprave oblik aviona koji će imati površine na način de se što manje valova reflektira u smjeru iz kjeg su došli. E da su znali da je potrebno samo ugasiti transponder..

 

Daj ti malo prouči princip rada radara, ima toga dosta na netu. Da ne objašnjavam ptice, visine, itd. Pa će ti biti jasno da si ljuljnuo jedan od većih bisera..

 

ti čitaš bez razumijevanja

Da li si ikad osobno vidio što točno vidi radar i kako izgleda radarska slika?

Kao što znaš radarski se prati i padanje kiše (kako onda u tom đumbusu znati što je avion, a što ptica a što kiša?)

Avio industrija je to jednostavno riješila

svaki avion dobija transpoder kod registracije (kao što i automobil ima broj šasije) koji odašilje signal radaru

civilno zrakoplovstvo prati isključivo transpodere i ako ga iskopčaš, nestao si sa radara

vojni radari prate sve avione, ali i oni imaju određene parametre i filtere da filtriraju minimalnu veličinu da ti ne prikazuje rodu a da ti misliš da je avion (tu sad dolaze stealth lovci koji svojim smanjenim radarskim odrazima zbune filtere i glume da su ptice, a ne avioni)

vojni avioni imaju transpodere koje mogu upaliti ili ugasiti po potrebi (da su u mirnodobskom ili borbenom letu)

 

 

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Kakav transponder, blebećeš nebuloze. Kako da ne, radari su poznati uređaju koji prate transpondere, a ne objekte od kojih se odbija elektromagnetski valovi što ih radar generira. Otkud ti ova glupost s hakiranjem transpondera? Što to nisi prodao amerima, a oni se jadni mučili kako da naprave oblik aviona koji će imati površine na način de se što manje valova reflektira u smjeru iz kjeg su došli. E da su znali da je potrebno samo ugasiti transponder..

 

Daj ti malo prouči princip rada radara, ima toga dosta na netu. Da ne objašnjavam ptice, visine, itd. Pa će ti biti jasno da si ljuljnuo jedan od većih bisera..

 

ti čitaš bez razumijevanja

Da li si ikad osobno vidio što točno vidi radar i kako izgleda radarska slika?

Kao što znaš radarski se prati i padanje kiše (kako onda u tom đumbusu znati što je avion, a što ptica a što kiša?)

Avio industrija je to jednostavno riješila

svaki avion dobija transpoder kod registracije (kao što i automobil ima broj šasije) koji odašilje signal radaru

civilno zrakoplovstvo prati isključivo transpodere i ako ga iskopčaš, nestao si sa radara

vojni radari prate sve avione, ali i oni imaju određene parametre i filtere da filtriraju minimalnu veličinu da ti ne prikazuje rodu a da ti misliš da je avion (tu sad dolaze stealth lovci koji svojim smanjenim radarskim odrazima zbune filtere i glume da su ptice, a ne avioni)

vojni avioni imaju transpodere koje mogu upaliti ili ugasiti po potrebi (da su u mirnodobskom ili borbenom letu)

 

 

Isključivanje transpondera neće potpuno ukloniti avion, ali nećeš mu znati visinu i sl. Imaš više radara, pasivni koji samo lupa odsjaj i sekundarni koji se oslanja na transponder. Gašenje transpondera zapravo je način da se vidi da nešto nije u redu, moderni sustavi će skužiti "nestanak aviona".

 

Pročitaj malo o ovome: http://www.oilempire.us/wargames.html

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Isključivanje transpondera neće potpuno ukloniti avion, ali nećeš mu znati visinu i sl. Imaš više radara, pasivni koji samo lupa odsjaj i sekundarni koji se oslanja na transponder. Gašenje transpondera zapravo je način da se vidi da nešto nije u redu, moderni sustavi će skužiti "nestanak aviona".

i to je ono ključno, "nestanak"

tada slijede procedure od skoro 2 sata dok oni "traže" taj avion da se možda pojavi

osim toga kad nestane avion, onda osoba kojoj je "nestao" avion zove nadzornika, pa onda ovaj šalje info dalje prema agenciji za zrakoplovstvo koja zove vojsku i njihove vojne radare, pa onda dok se oni odluče kaj da naprave imaš avion koji su teroristi zabili u zgradu

zapamti u mirnodobsko doba nije tako jednostavno sruštiti neki avion jer je "nestao sa radara" (obično se traži i dozvola ministra, ako ne i precjednika a to zna potrajati)

to je karta na koju su igrali i dobili 11.9.

 

 

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civilno zrakoplovstvo prati isključivo transpodere i ako ga iskopčaš, nestao si sa radara

Nisam siguran da to baš tako funkcionira, nema transpondera - nema identifikacije, a ne prikaza točkice s ekrana. Srećom imam poznatog u kontroli, pa ću provjeriti..

 

 
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Isključivanje transpondera neće potpuno ukloniti avion, ali nećeš mu znati visinu i sl. Imaš više radara, pasivni koji samo lupa odsjaj i sekundarni koji se oslanja na transponder. Gašenje transpondera zapravo je način da se vidi da nešto nije u redu, moderni sustavi će skužiti "nestanak aviona".

i to je ono ključno, "nestanak"

tada slijede procedure od skoro 2 sata dok oni "traže" taj avion da se možda pojavi

osim toga kad nestane avion, onda osoba kojoj je "nestao" avion zove nadzornika, pa onda ovaj šalje info dalje prema agenciji za zrakoplovstvo koja zove vojsku i njihove vojne radare, pa onda dok se oni odluče kaj da naprave imaš avion koji su teroristi zabili u zgradu

zapamti u mirnodobsko doba nije tako jednostavno sruštiti neki avion jer je "nestao sa radara" (obično se traži i dozvola ministra, ako ne i precjednika a to zna potrajati)

to je karta na koju su igrali i dobili 11.9.

 

 

Avion bez transpondera ili sa iskljucenim transponderom se vidi na radaru potpuno isto. Ali se klasificira kao - neindetificirani zrakoplov. Zbog ogromnog prometa u zracnom prostoru, dakle zbog sigurnosti, uvedeni su transponderi kao obavezna oprema svake letjelice. Kontrola na zemlji daje svakom jedinstveni broj, to moze biti broj leta npr. i kontrolor ga na zaslonu radara vidi pod tim brojem, za lakse snalazenje medju gro tockica. Transponder je jos spregnut sa nekim ostalim uredjajima u letjelici i moze slat razne podatke kontroli leta. Svi putnicki zrakoplovi jos u transponderu imaju TCAS koji spregnut s radarom javlja, signalizira, posadi da je preblizu drugom zrakoplovu, dakle sprjecava sudar. Sudar iznad Svicarske prije par godina dogodio se jer Ruski avion nije imao TCAS. 

Iskljucenjem transpondera letjelica NE postaje nevidljiva za radar.

Vojni zrakoplovi (moderniji zapadni) imaju sve to ali i IFF sustav (Identification Friend or Foe) bez ovog sustava u ratu u Iraku npr. protuzracna obrana a i lovci u zraku koalicijskih snaga, ne bi znali koji je njihov zrakoplov a koji Iracki.

Nestanak zrakoplova s radara moze se desit zbog zasjenjenja radara preprekom ili ometanja istog. Ova oba dva primjera su Ameri iskoristili u akciji u Pakistanu.

 

Do 11.09. nije bilo lako samo tako srusit zrakoplov koji je skrenuo s kursa, osobito putnicki. Osim toga, dok cijeli sustav od prvog inputa da je avion skrenuo s kursa, pa do dizanja dezuraca odradi, avion koji leti prosjecno 800 - 900 km/h prevali poprilican put.

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Ti baš nisi shvatio kako funkcionira letenje i radarska identifikacija?

Daj mi malo pojasni kako to funkcionira, možeš početi s letenjem (gdje si pak to izvukao?). Ako se ti slažeš s iznesenime da se prate isljkučivo transponderi jer bi se inače vidjeli oblaci i ptice i da se gašenjem transpondera nestaje s radara. Daj me malo prosvijetli..

 

 
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 WTC 7 ne diram. Pennsylvanijski avion ne diram. Gdje su ostaci aviona koji je udario u WTC 1 i 2 nisam istraživao.

Normalo da ne diras WTC 7, lakse je prezmirit tu "malu cinjenicu" i trubit dalje po svojem.

Nije to razlog, nego smatram da premalo znam o WTC 7 da mogu reći nešto iza čega bi potpuno stao za razliku od tebe i tebi sličnih koji se bez ikakve argumentacije upuštaju u raspravu misleći da su najpametniji zato što njihova intuicija nikad ne griješi (kobajage).

 

Priznajem da je situacija s WTC 7 interesantna, ali nisam jedan od onih koji idu u krajnost da proglase svjetsku zavjeru samo zato što neke stvari ne izgledaju očekivano. Uostalom, sve teorije zavjere su mi se zgadile (kao i oni koji su ih inicirali) zato što sam i sam nebrojeno puta uočio namjerne pogreške koje u cijelosti mijenjaju kontekst i percepciju o 9/11 i nemam namjeru žmiriti na takve obmane ljudi koji su stvarno šljam istraživačkog novinarstva - možda nisam trebao reći "novinarstva" pošto režem desnu ruku ukoliko neki teoretičar zavjere ima završen studij novinarstva jer je krajnje neprofesionalno optuživati cijeli vladu jedne države bez dokaza (a za takvu optužbu stvarno trebaju čvrsti dokazi).

 

Još jednom ponavljam da nemam namjeru opet raspravljati o toj temi zato što sam u prošlosti previše vremena trošio na to, da bi došao do zaključka da službeno izvješće ima manje rupa od raznoraznih drugih teorija, no na ovu provokaciju sam morao odgovoriti čisto zato da ne bi ispalo da bježim od rasprave.

 

Mislim, Zeitgeist i ini dokumentarci bi trebali biti samo poticaj na razmišljanje, a ne da ih se slijepo prati kao zakon.

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Ti baš nisi shvatio kako funkcionira letenje i radarska identifikacija?

Daj mi malo pojasni kako to funkcionira, možeš početi s letenjem (gdje si pak to izvukao?). Ako se ti slažeš s iznesenime da se prate isljkučivo transponderi jer bi se inače vidjeli oblaci i ptice i da se gašenjem transpondera nestaje s radara. Daj me malo prosvijetli..

 

Na istoj ovoj stranici sam ti objasnio ja i ostali. Pa okice usmjeri gore i čitaj.

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 šacicom brđana i pješcanih ratnika moš mislit to samo naivcine gutaju.

A Ruse su iz Afganistana otjerali svemirci! {#}

Cia je obučavala Brđane za borbu protiv Rusa...{#}

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Cia je obučavala Brđane za borbu protiv Rusa...{#}

Ma zaboravi sta ste ti i ostali gledali u Rambu 3..... jesu financirali, ali su ti brdjani krvarili i ginuli.

 

Massoud "Lion of Panjshir":

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/22/world/la-fg-afghanistan-massoud-20100922

 

"On the eve of the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, assassins working for Osama bin Laden murdered Ahmed Shah Massoud, military commander of the anti- Taliban force known as the Northern Alliance."

 

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Cia je obučavala Brđane za borbu protiv Rusa...{#}

Ma zaboravi sta ste ti i ostali gledali u Rambu 3..... jesu financirali, ali su ti brdjani krvarili i ginuli.

 

Massoud "Lion of Panjshir":

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/22/world/la-fg-afghanistan-massoud-20100922

 

"On the eve of the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, assassins working for Osama bin Laden murdered Ahmed Shah Massoud, military commander of the anti- Taliban force known as the Northern Alliance."

 

Ak laže profesorica povijesti, lažem i ja...Koji je tvoj argument?...

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angel of fire kaže...

Cia je obučavala Brđane za borbu protiv Rusa...{#}

Ma zaboravi sta ste ti i ostali gledali u Rambu 3..... jesu financirali, ali su ti brdjani krvarili i ginuli.

 

Massoud "Lion of Panjshir":

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/22/world/la-fg-afghanistan-massoud-20100922

 

"On the eve of the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, assassins working for Osama bin Laden murdered Ahmed Shah Massoud, military commander of the anti- Taliban force known as the Northern Alliance."

 

Ak laže profesorica povijesti, lažem i ja...Koji je tvoj argument?...

A gdje je on točno rekao da lažeš?

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Osama Bin Laden

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/view

 

zanimljvo je za sto je tocno bin laden bio trazen.

 

@rambo, WTC 7 je u NIST reportu (procito sam sazetak od 110 stranca) pao zbog pozara koji su bili na katovima od 7-11 (ili 14 moram gradivo ponovit) i izazvali su "catastrophical structural failure" zgrada je pala unutar 6 sekundi.

 

 

ja nisam strucnjak za gradjevinu, ali ako zgrada zbog pozara na par katova je u stanju se ovako pravilno srusit u par sekundi vise necu uc u nista vise od 2 kata.

a pad te zgrade je vrlo bitan za cijelu pricu.

Tvoj win ovo nemoze http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V6365NQrV0 // Win 7 na osx-u http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Co5BnTQDh2A
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angel of fire kaže...

Ak laže profesorica povijesti, lažem i ja...Koji je tvoj argument?...

Dao sam ti dva linka. Prouci i dobit ces petardu kod profesorice. Inace ak profesorica ima do 35 godina slobodno me preporuci da ju poducim tajnama bliskog i dalekog istoka {#}

Bolje 100 godina zivjeti kao lopov, nego 7 dana kao siromah - KraDeZe \m/
 
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bistri kaže...

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/usama-bin-laden/view

 

zanimljvo je za sto je tocno bin laden bio trazen.

 

@rambo, WTC 7 je u NIST reportu (procito sam sazetak od 110 stranca) pao zbog pozara koji su bili na katovima od 7-11 (ili 14 moram gradivo ponovit) i izazvali su "catastrophical structural failure" zgrada je pala unutar 6 sekundi.

 

 

ja nisam strucnjak za gradjevinu, ali ako zgrada zbog pozara na par katova je u stanju se ovako pravilno srusit u par sekundi vise necu uc u nista vise od 2 kata.

a pad te zgrade je vrlo bitan za cijelu pricu.

Lažu kak su dugacki i široki, samo kaj im to ne prolazi nikak zgrada je pala ko kruška fino precizno brzo i kontrolirano sa svojih 47 katova.{#} No to smo vec sve rastrubili, u onoj temi o 9/11 ko oce nek vjeruje u službeni izvještaj ak mu to pomogne da lakše zaspi po noci jer manjak sna moze bit vrlo nezgodan problem itekak.{#}{#}

 

 

 

http://www.reliastream.com/cast/start/niorozco/
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naxeem kaže...
angel of fire kaže...
Tallahasee kaže...
angel of fire kaže...

Cia je obučavala Brđane za borbu protiv Rusa...{#}

Ma zaboravi sta ste ti i ostali gledali u Rambu 3..... jesu financirali, ali su ti brdjani krvarili i ginuli.

 

Massoud "Lion of Panjshir":

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ahmad_Shah_Massoud

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/22/world/la-fg-afghanistan-massoud-20100922

 

"On the eve of the attacks on New York and the Pentagon, assassins working for Osama bin Laden murdered Ahmed Shah Massoud, military commander of the anti- Taliban force known as the Northern Alliance."

 

Ak laže profesorica povijesti, lažem i ja...Koji je tvoj argument?...

A gdje je on točno rekao da lažeš?

A gdje sam ja rekao da on kaže meni da lažem?

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Tallahasee kaže...
angel of fire kaže...

Ak laže profesorica povijesti, lažem i ja...Koji je tvoj argument?...

Dao sam ti dva linka. Prouci i dobit ces petardu kod profesorice. Inace ak profesorica ima do 35 godina slobodno me preporuci da ju poducim tajnama bliskog i dalekog istoka {#}

HAHA..:)

ima ona više od 35, msm da sad već ima oko 62-63..xD

ne bi se baš usrećio...:D

a ok su ti linkići....{#}

ja ne kažem da si u krivu, samo prenosim kak je profa nama govorila..{#}

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