MMA (Mixed Martial Arts)

očekivano, jeb.

Jeli vi znate tko je ovaj lik??? haha, baš je opako poslovan ovako. Jedva sam ga prepozno, kraljina

http://sportski.net.hr/klub-boraca/page/2011/10/31/0122006.html

Ajmo malo u srednju kategoriju, čini se da bi 14. siječnja moglo doći do revanša Silva - Sonnen.

Link

Velasquez  vs. Cigano

Dobra najava/uvod  pred prvu borbu  UFC on FOX

Gle kako su oba lika mirna,fina,...ko bi rekao da su onake zivotinje. Bit ce ovo velika borba i nece ic u 5 rundi 100% ne mogu se ni sjetit koja je zadnja isla na decision,mozda Couture kad je dobio Sylvu....

Sanse su 50-50 s tim sto ja vise simpatisem Cigana i njemu dajem malo vece sanse

Malo o Mirku sa drugih foruma - vrijedno pročitati:

In this sea of Cro Cop-Legend thread, i thought i'd try to make a more realistic thread. A different take, if you will. Not fighter bashing, but not exactly an appreciation thread.

I am (or was) one of Cro Cop's biggest fans. Hardcore nuthugger, making excuses and everything.
I cheered for him every single fight to this day, cried like a baby when he floored Wandy, cried even more when he was floored by Gonzaga. Had to do with the fact we come from the same country.
He is a legend, most succesful K-1 crossover, fighter that other fighters used to fear the most (no one can deny that).
He is the reason i follow MMA and K-1.
He is (or should be) in every single Top 3 MMA HW fighters list. First man to be associated with one strike in MMA - the LHK (Hendo being the only other i can remember with his overhand right).

But (here it comes) everyone must realize what kind of things happened with our favorite striker. What kind of things he (IMO) done wrong in his career. The other side of the medal. Not the "retiring soon enough" thing, most professional fighters do the same mistake, it's in human nature.

I'm talking about approach to life, to training, to people sorrounding you etc.
Mirko has a long history of not respecting agreements and people.

I'm not gonna talk about him and his manager Zvonimir Lučić fleeing his former trainer (Branko Cikatić), that's some shady business on both side, and i admit i know nothing about it (officially). short story (rumour) - Branko Cikatić threw him out of his gym because he broke jaws of his sparring partners (one of them 15 yo). After that, long court session and trials occured, but no truth about the whole scenario was seen. Mirko and Branko no longer speak about each other, there's a known hatred from both sides. That's the first winner of K-1 tournament, person that introduced Mirko to Japan and K-1 when he had nothing, arranged everything for him.

NOVA TV (Croatian TV network) made a deal with him and put him on the map in Croatian general public. They televised every single of his fights (a rear feat in Croatia). First smell of money from HRT (big government Tv network), Mirko fled and cancelled his contract with NOVA tv only for it to bite him in the ass. Randleman fight was his first fight under that contract, his manager (suposed connections to yakuzas) ordered PRIDE to not give the fight video to HRT. HRT immediatelly cancelled his contract, and Mirko went back to NOVA tv with his tail between his legs.

Another thing was Mirko's approach to teamwork, trainers, sparring partner etc. No consistency whatsoever. No respect whatsoever. Except his relationship with his manager (and second father) Zvonimir Lučić. That he fuc*ed up at the very end of his career (he fired him after the Schaub fight, no details avaliable, but people presume it's money issues).
Mirko never had a dedicated trainer. Except Marijan Žižanovic in the beggining and relative end of his career, he had "sparring partners and mitt holders" (his own words). He fired trainers at the first/second loss, regardless of him following the advice of his trainers or not. For example, Marijan Zizanovic (i wrote a bit on him here Old school guys) coached him during the early years in his K-1 career, encouraged him to throw more knees (you can see why in his fight against Peter Aerts), Mirko never accepted that and eventually fired him. Vladimir Bozić (brother of Stjepan Bozić, WBF middleweight world champ, WBA word shot ) trained him for a while, he is the reason Mirko had excellent hands, first sign of trouble/disagreement, Mirko fires him and call him names.

All of former Mirko's training partner have nothing good to say of him. "Slavery" was often used as a work to describe the relationship. Mirko was not speaking to them, he would just nod his head and have sparring partners change. 4-5 people waiting till he call them, and no one was allowed to spar with anybody else besides with Mirko. IMO, more of a hired help than partners and teammates.

All of the people sorrounding him were Yes people. Saying that he deserves purple belt in JJ, that he can come back to K-1 any day and take the GP, that he's the strongest there is while in real life, Mirko's skills were diminishing. Sure, he was plagued by injuries lately, but as many noticed, his speed was the first to go, and the boxing/kickboxing skills were like 10%of what he had.

Other information (unofficial) come from various gyms/gym-like institutions in Croatia where people say they were INSTRUCTED to go easy on him. If you went just a bit hard (not completely overboard) on the submissions, he'd tell you to stop and then probably hit you in the face. He's allowed to go all out, and you are supposed to take it but not dish it out.

He was one of the first fighters to have other fighters fly to him and teach/train him stuff. Essentially a good thing, especially if you don't have a good team. Ah, here we come to the most important thing in his career. He never had a team. His camp (last couple of years) consisted of him bringing trainer for 2 weeks or him flying over for 2 weeks. That's not a fight camp. Of course, that's not all he did to prepare for the fight, but it shows the spirit - your trainer has to be with you. That's the main reason he never showed signs of improvement in his MMA career.

Moving on...
Dana White is an MMA god. You can call him a lot of names (i know i have) but when he has a problem with a fighter, that fighter is done. That was not the case with Mirko. Mirko dealed excusively with Fertittas. That's right, Dana was a middle man here, Mirko called him names in public, all over the media and was one of few UFC fighters that got away with that. Because of $$. Of course the UFC shows in Germany and Australia had priority over Dana's ego, and Mirko got the better of that exchange.
A few people in Croatia also tell the story of one MMA clothes/equipment store in Croatia, and a bunch of bootleged DVD's, and Mirko's connnection to them (or owning the store), but i forgot most of the details here. Also, not a proven fact.

Make no mistake, Mirko was a hell of a fighter, but he could've been so much more with some professional guidance, some constructive criticism and a proper team.
War CC, always gonna be my favorite fighter. Personality wise, not so much (as seen in previous text ).

I još vezano uz taj tekst:

Ko god da je ovo napisao, dobro poznaje materiju o Mirku, i većina stvari, koliko mi je poznato, su prilično istinite. Mirko je u svojim borbama ostvario znatne uspjehe, u poslovnom smislu je ostvario izuzetne uspjehe, lako je moguće da je upravo on borac koji je zaradio najviše novaca u MMA. Pošto je jasno da je u dobrom dijelu svoje karijere bio sam sebi glavni trener, komotno se može reći da je u tom dijelu zapravo i najviše zakazao. Radio je on sa dosta ljudi, neki od njih su bili jako stručni, ali, svejedno, Mirko je slabo slušao dobre savjete, tjerao je po svom, u svom podrumu, bio je apsolutni boss u nekom svom svijetu.
Vremenom bi svi ili dizali ruke od suradnje sa njim, ili bi ih se sam Mirko riješavao.
Dosta dugo je trenirao sa Fabriciom, koji od svih teškaša ima daleko najbolju džiju, pa je svejedno u donjoj poziciji u parteru bio i ostao jako ukočen, apsolutno ništa nije napravio, osim što je protiv Fedora jako stisnuo gard i nije ga puštao.
Dalje, u K-1, pogotovo u počecima je bio dobar boksač, obe ruke, obe noge, sipao je sa svih strana. Nakon svega, s vremenom je ostala samo ljeva noga i ljeva ruka. Definicija budale je osoba koja ponavlja istu stvar nadajući se drugom rezultatu. U američkim kavezima, Mirko je dakle ispao budala, jer je uporno ponavljao istu stvar, naravno pogrešnu. Šibali su ga borci, koji, osim Dos Santosa, jednostavno nisu imali njegov potencijal, ali su zato svoj potencijal bolje koristili.
Mirku će uvijek ostati taj novac kao satisfakcija, osigurao je svoju obitelj, ali, da će ga se nešto pamtiti kao legendu tipa Cikatića, ne vjerujem. Branko je u finalu K-1 u 38 godini nokautirao čovjeka koji ga je osvajao 4 puta nakon toga. On je u jednom trenutku dotaknuo sam vrh, Mirko je u Japanu uvijek bio blizu samom vrhu, ali, nikad na njemu, i kad je osvojio taj GP, nad njim je stajao Fedor sa pojasom prvaka. Mirko je u MMA uletio u pravom momentu, konkurencija su mu bili pretežno parteraši za koje je bio prebrz, preeksplozivan. I usprkos tome, i tamo je imao 4 poraza, ajde, Randleman je bio mina, Minotaura je dominirao, ali Hunt i Fedor su dominirali njega.
Ali, nije bio borac srednje klase kao što je ocijenio naš uvodničar Jupi, to se jednostavno ne može reći. Niko nije samo tako prošao preko njega. Znao se odlično braniti, svi su se bojali njegovih munjevitih kontri, uvijek je bio dobro fizički pripremljen, čak je i Gonzagu bio propisno odvalio po rebrima u borbi koja je bila početak kraja, dakle, nije bio lak protivnik nikome.
Bio je borac ogromnog tjelesnog potencijala, ali ne i psihičkog. Daleko od toga da nije bio inteligentan, ali, u borbi mu se moglo slomiti volju, a to je sve posljedica toga što na treninzima koje je sam sebi organizirao nije dovoljno radio na tom aspektu.
Borba nije kamena s ramena, borba je stvar psihe i više nego fizikalija.
"It's not about how hard you can hit, it's about how hard you can get hit, an keep moving forward....", nije bio Mirko jak u primanju udaraca, i zato nije postao najveći, što je po potencijalu definitivno mogao.
Ali, zadužio nas je sve, popularizirao je sport i promovirao ovu državu, samo se sjetite da smo gledali besplatno tolike priredbe na televiziji. I budite sigurni, koliko god kome od nas bilo žao što je ispalo kako je ispalo, njemu će biti još više, pogotovo kako godine budu prolazile.

Tekstovi su malo duži, ali točni. U svemu se slažem, pogotovo u ovom drugom, npr. ovo vezano uz sparing partnere, slušanje savjeta i tako. Sam sebi je bio gazda i to nije bilo dobro, to ga je koštalo daljnjeg napredovanja. Šteta...

Završit ću samo sa zadnjim rečenicama iz prvog teksta:

Make no mistake, Mirko was a hell of a fighter, but he could've been so much more with some professional guidance, some constructive criticism and a proper team.
War CC, always gonna be my favorite fighter. 

Predobar tekst i skidam kapu onome tko ga je napisao!

Trebalo bi to Mirku mejlati

Malo sam ga slušao... ugl, ne slažem se s njime u vezi kampova. Odabrao je takav posao, ako želiš napredovati i biti najbolji, moraš s najboljima trenirati. Ako svi to mogu, koji također imaju obitelj, ne vidim razloga zašto on to ne bi mogao. Osim toga, mogao je platiti borcima da dođu kod njega ako već on ne želi nigdje. Ostalo nisam stigao poslušati, stream je serkao...

Treba samo pročitati onaj moj gornji post o Mirku, u svemu se slažem. Pogotovo to oko treninga.

Arlovski se malo razbaco - link

Dana White progovorio o zaradama u UFC-u - link

Koji skor, iako je izgubio od skoro svakog poznatijeg MMA borca, svejedno, tip je životinja, kao da se bori svaki tjedan :)

Meni se sviđa Reemova odluka.
Udaranje ima, snagu ima. Kondiciju i hrvanje mu rijetko tko može pružiti bolje od Xtreme Couturea. Možda AKA ili Team Quest, ali u principu je to to.
Mislim da mu je ovo odličan potez.

Covjek ima damu rece  HW sampionu da je Shrek

Ja više iščekujem fajt Lesnar - Overeem

A i također, veći hype sam imao za Velasquez - Lesnar, nego za ovaj.

Također, oko Lesnar- Cain je bio daleko veći hype, i ja sam stvarno nestrpljivo isčekivao te rane jutarnje sate da odgledam borbu.

Lesnar je (sada znamo) obična prenapuhana vreća neuravnoteženosti i ego tripa. a neki su ga ovdje na forumu poredili s Fedorom (LOL!).

Sada je hype daleko manji, ali očekujem zanimljiviju borbu.